Notes: MCA promotional video with lipsync performances, mimed to the studio album tracks. There is some uncertainty about the date; see next post for details.
There is some uncertainty about the date. The subtitles on F1dvd and F2dvd say '17th March 1973'. However, concert listings show 13 March 1973.
The following is a representation of a discussion between got the hump and longtalleric about this matter and explains why we concluded this must have been recorded on the 13th.
Zitat von got the hump Film was made as an album promo for TV airing, broadcast on the OGWT 22 May 1973, BBC records also mention Guildford Civic Hall These are the only two songs which have surfaced and there's no reason to think there might be more.
Zitat von longtalleric Both Pink-Camel and scottstrades list the Guildford gig on the 13th, and Twickenham on the 17th. Skylines also mentions the 13th for Guildford. I searched for a tour program or a concert listing but didn't find it yet. Or did you mean that the BBC records also indicate this was recorded on the 17th?
BTW, scottstrades also mentions a dvd on that date...
EDIT: I found another site listing Guildford on the 13th: marmalade-skies
Zitat von got the hump No other clues, BBC states film is from Guildford Civic Hall with no date. They also list it as copyright MCA records, so clearly the BBC did not record it, rather they received a copy from MCA to compile into their program.
Their proper gig in Guildford may have been on 13th, but it seems to me this was not filmed at a scheduled gig, but rather arranged specially - more like a "shoot". If it was a proper live performance it would be pretty difficult to sync to the album soundtrack, whereas if they mimed along to the album for a couple of songs while the cameras were rolling, it would be easy. There are a few fleeting crowd shots, but these remind me of the "hired" audience used for the Genesis Shepperton 1973 staged film shoot.
If it was an arranged shoot it might well be done during the afternoon before Twickenham. The afternoon before Guildford would be more convenient, but sometimes the logistics of getting a film crew and the band together means that timing cannot always be ideal.
I do know Andy Lat kept diaries so I would expect the correct info to be known and I trust CP liner notes more than Decca/Universal (yeah, one could cite On The Road 1972 but perhaps there was a something different at stake there).
HOWEVER, the bottom line is that I don't really know and if you prefer to leave 17th as a footnote, that's OK with me.
Zitat von longtallericEven though Twickenham and Guildford are less than an hour away from each other, I think it's unlikely (but not impossible!) that the footage was shot in Guildford during the day on the 17th, and that the band played their gig in Twickenham that evening.
Another possibilty would be that the footage was shot in Twickenham but I think that's unlikely as well - I think a date is easier to mix up than a venue. Also, the following pictures, shot in the Civic hall in Guildford (before it was torn down) show resemblance to what we see on F1dvd and F2dvd:
My guess is that the footage was recorded during the day on the 13th, at the Guildford Civic Hall, before the real evening gig.
Zitat von got the humpI've seen bands play in Guildford Civic Hall and am pretty sure they have the venue right.
Zitat von got the hump13 March 1973 filming:
More exceptional information courtesy of David Minasian, from the TIOA forum thread:
ZitatA camera crew (from the BBC's Whistle Test I think) was sent out to the gig at Guildford early and shot the band lip syncing to the studio version playbacks of Never Let Go and Arubaluba sometime after the equipment had been set up but prior to the show that night. They ran through each song a number of times from different camera angles.
The crew then stayed for the gig and continued to film. Shots from the gig itself (audience shots, along with shots of the band performing live) were then edited into the 2 'music videos' thus giving them a faux live appearance. The editing was pretty dismal in parts. Clearly they had used pieces filmed during the gig from other songs that weren't even close to matching. There was even a shot of Pete singing on Arubaluba despite it being an instrumental!! (I patched up that particular shot along with a few others for the Footage 2 and Curriculum Vitae versions).
Never Let Go was eventually broadcast but I don't think Arubaluba was. The lone surviving 16mm copy of Arubaluba which hadn't been seen in 30 years was found by Andy in his attic when we were searching for stuff for the Curriculum Vitae documentary.
Regarding the date, I'm not sure which one is correct. CP supplied me with the date that appears on the DVD.
Dave
As replied there, I think the crew may have been sent by MCA rather than OGWT. It confirms without much room for doubt that LTE's instinct that filming was the afternoon of 13th is correct.